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Regarding Infinity project, which of these domains do you like most, when it comes to English version of Infinity?

https://mindey.com/survey/start/05421959-c745-445b-ae23-02fe0ab28746

My little survey :)

I wonder, if people want threading comments on Infinity? Could it be that lack of threading in comments is preventing conversations?

For example, Reddit has threading. Twitter, while looks linear, has light threading too. LessWrong has threading as well... However, Halfbakery works perfectly fine without threading comments. So, do we really need comments threading?

I think I'd like to add notifications for targets, because targets are like "I want to do this next", and they are worthy knowing about. However, they should optional or come in the comments channel instead of the main channel, because wants are less substantial and actionable than results: results can be reviewed by others, so they are more worthy of main channel attention.

Alright, so the correct event page is: https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/infinity-project-updates-gathering-tickets-312778227097

Oh, really! Let me make it public as soon as I'm home.

That link is private it doesn't work for me.

Well, let's try, here's a link to an event I've just created: https://www.eventbrite.com/preview?eid=312778227097/

What do you think? Should we have a different date/time?

Yes, Mindey! Eventbrite is the best at reminders. Having an event page to register also makes it easy to invite others.

Alternative could be a Meetup profile where we host virtual futurists meetups! In cases if many people would join, with Zoom it's easy to bring people into breakout rooms for cozier sharing between 2-3 people.

I think we should do it! It's a great thing to do, and I'm sure we'd have what to share.

Should we have some kind of eventbrite invitation for this? They are good at reminding subscribers :)

I wonder, if people would like to restart oo community calls? terms: all participants would share progress about their projects :)

such method we use with [malü] between ogiziu and Instinto Creador projects for the past month, and it helped us truly to evolve together!

we typically connect for 1 hour on a video call and each of us share:

1) what each of us did last week,

2) what each of us will do next,

3) any obsctales or challenges.

anyone would like to connect in oo community calls this way?

I have an impression, that Infinity requires the expertise of at least 3 kind of communities:

1. Foresight.org, BFI.org, metaculus.com for the "Issues/Puzzles" part,
2. Halfbakery.com for the "Ideas" part,
3. Pioneer.app, IndieHackers.com for the "Projects" part.

There is more, like the products part, but at this time, taking the cultures of community focusing the first 3 things would be most beneficial, I think.

Agree how important is to be "in motion" for the oo as a system.

Hmm, I'm not sure about "ideas in motion", because how often people work on somebody else's ideas? People need incentives to do that. More often people work on their own ideas, or just projects, where ideas unfold later in the experimentation process.

To me, an interesting measure of value of the oo system would be: Link-Building, i.e. how active the network is? How often members comment and collaborate on each other's posts? The more diverse links between members posts, the more diverse creative thoughts sparked, the more quality content on the system, the more retention to the system, the more engagement, the more referrals.

Overall, I see the health of the oo system being - links and relationships between each others that spark creative thoughts for everyone.

Btw - improved replies to specific comments are useful!

Thinking of the major KPI for our system, I think, is the "ideas" and "ideas in motion", where "in motion" - means, that they are actively being worked (e.g., has periodic updates).

Btw., you can reply to comments and ledger events directly, so it is possible to form specific threads and respond to works, etc.

Note: Contacts of innovator communities:

• [Japan] https://dynalist.io/d/iIT_nuAiAMx9JxctYclliF43

Alright. I've added paths: /invitation and /hi to serve as place for public invites (so, for example, clicking on 0oo.li/hi or 0oo.li/invitation leads to the public invite.)

The text inside the invite links does not disappear after the invite is used, so they remain accessible, and any old invite link is still readable, or do you mean we need a nicer URL for it, like 0oo.li/public-letter or something?

Thanks! Oh and I meant - can invite page text be accessed easier on the website and shared with people?

The oldest one is here, however, there's the (paper) (on the equation model), which supersedes that design.

Where is the Whitepaper of 0oo? I'd like to share it with a friend (but without an invite, just text to read). It would be useful to see Whitepaper linked in the footer of the website and in the 0oo project description :)

I got it. This may be useful. What about using "Hide from Public" checkbox in the results to use as drafts? Selecting this allows to hide it from everyone who are not in the "members" of the project (but it will still get a notification in project channel). I'll consider adding this feature in next iteration.

The way I'm doing it, is that I list the items that I have completed by editing a target, just adding bullet points in it, and then, writing an update as a result with more details.

feedback request:

I'd like to be able to add "drafts" to "results". because I love lifelogging my tasks in my project pages when they happen. with drafts, I could improve my result declarations - I could find time to record a report on each result later, and turn a draft into a public result declaration later.

"Let Everything Exist" philosophy should be linked to 0oo project :)

People decompose and run projects. So, every project is made up of some components. For an arbitrary example, such "parts" could be:

• Content
• Community
• Designs
• Suppliers
• Accounting

These are random categories, but imagine that some project somewhere in the world has teams of people dedicated to take care that these particular components, so that they function reliably. I think that reliably working components are the essence of scalable value to society.

Each different project will usually have very different set of such said "parts" to function and evolve, and if we want to create some new product through a cooperation of a lot of various people, we need to have a way to organize the graph of parts and involvement, so as to be able to credit everyone correctly, and strategize transparently.

So, how this may look like on 0oo? Well, I suppose, initial tree management could be provided under the "Business Details" section in the project settings, using markdown-syntax to describe a tree (for example, HiveCell may have a tree of physical parts (click "Business Details" under it), and teams responsible for each, and 0oo may have microservices and teams responsible for them as parts, and so on.), which we could later parse, and use as classification options for project results and operations.

In summary, the decompositions is something to think about, when thinking of any project. For now, there's just this basic way of doing them using "Business Details" section of project. I'll think how to elaborate on it later on.

[Ruta], yeah "Making" makes more sense, so renamed it to "Making" ;)

// "Distribution" suggests retail distribution of goods into supermarkets. what's the intention of that type?

It's intended for anything that's mean to be scaled -- for example, distribution "content distribution" focused project would possibly want to scale the impact of an art, or "product distribution" would be focused on delivering the made products at scale.

RE types:

[Mindey], I like Making as a type, way more comprehensive than Manufacturing (which suggests big factory manufacturing, which is so far away of how art is made). hmm, Distribution suggests retail distribution of goods into supermarkets. what's the intention of that type? perhaps a more comprehensive one could be created :)

it would be useful somehow organise related Puzzles with potential parents and children, to make it easier to navigate related topics!

// I want to add an art project, it's purpose is societal impact, so perhaps a Type "Society"

Usually, art for social impact is a kind of making (~= manufacturing) and marketing (~=distribution) of perceptions. :) I think, if an art project is about making a new art piece, it could be generalized by renaming the "Manufacturing" category into "Making". Then, Art kind of falls under "Making" If a piece of art is widely distributed (like via a Tweet) to reach social impact, it can even fall under "Distributing" category.

Type when adding Projects is missing. If I want to add an art project, it's purpose is societal impact, so perhaps a Type "Society"? Same with community projects, they don't fit into current types now :) Perhaps "Society" or "Social Impact" would cover both - art and community - projects?

// Would it be possible to make it so, that other organisations could set up membership-based websites on top of Ooo

Yeah, [Ruta], in fact it is very possible to make a category into a domain, like medium.com has been domain, allowing users to set their domain, however, sharing single database. I'm still considering best initial way to implement communities functionality, and think about it. :)

// create "oo" communities functionality

Hello! I'm curious about this. Would it be possible to make it so, that other organisations could set up membership-based websites on top of Ooo and pay a monthly tax (based on their revenue from memberships) to 0oo for providing such infrastructure? What would be customisable? Could it be made so, that these views - Homepage, User Profiles, Project page - are customisable?

I'd be interested in this as KOKONO. Also, if clear documentation provided on how to customise the design (even for design/development colleagues), I believe many micro organisations who facilitate online learning and online communities would be interested in this too. At the moment, tools like Discord, WordPress, Kajabi, Circle, ... are used.

Comment order is reversed in the market, but let's see. It can easily be done, and I think best to be per-user customizable. ;) Very much looking forward to evolving the UI/UX, so, you can start such topic, just tick the "Base Administration" box ;)

Let us please reverse the comments order =) to see the latest first. Also [+comment] button better be on top. I want to start a project about 0oo UI upgrade.

I kinda wish to have:

1. Wishlists for projects (that work like backlogs), where people could write the things they'd like to do. Challenges feature is great for sprints and questions, but not that well for writing out things that we're planning to do, or features that we wish to do. That could be realized via "Results" model that already exists, just adding extra property.
2. Custom URLs for topics (so we could give unique URLs to items, including user profiles under username).
3. Multi-master PostgreSQL synchronization between regional sites, with user's own choice what to share to other nodes.

N-way testing of the homepage: the homepage of 0oo is currently appearing just one way, however, by changing the top category, like 0oo.li/?cat=971, it can appear completely differently. So, in actuality, if we knew a little bit more about the person visiting, like what search engine keyword they had entered, we could display a different topic version of 0oo on the first visit. And, after all those categories can work a bit like different reddit sites, except, it would actually display the important questions, ideas and projects(companies) in each broader subject domain... and that is so easy -- just passing category ID, e.g., Cyberspace: 0oo.li/?cat=1366.

We could make markdown-only export, or even -- live .md copies on Syncthing -- so that anyone could open entire 0oo content as a knowledge graph on Markdown editors like Obsidian.md. I mean, we could generate something like this quite easily, as a feature of data export.

I was also thinking the other day, about having the content of 0oo live as GitHub repository pages first, not on a single repository, but on repositories of many people (the authors of topics) (so someone like [chronological], who likes to keep his ideas on his own GitHub repo, could edit it there).

One special thing here, we have multi-lingual markdown pages, that have special extra syntax, allowing to combine versions of multiple languages into a single page.

So, I think it would be good to add voice versions of topics and comments, so that someone could simply play entire 0oo stream. The mp3 files could be easily generated with GoogleTTS API, like an audio book. Considering that voice is quite popular, some people may want to listen the conversations here. It's fun that this would have to be done to the versions in all languages.

Additionally, we could add Speech-To-Text (like with otter.ai), so that someone could simply record a comment, and have it transcribed and translated to other languages, generating other language speech versions automatically.

[justinmiyamoto], your result appears to be either not public, or incorrect. What I'm seeing is this. I suppose, your result is about a UI design or improvements? Try making google drive link publicly visible.

I've got to mention, that the way 0oo works as a HomeBase, is a bit inspired by my favorite game, called "X-COM: UFO Enemy Unknown", where humans have to manage bases to defend Earth from Alien Invasion with management of resources. So, that's why each project has "Locations" (click image next to "+[Transfer]"), and my old idea of "Goal tracking and resource management" database. :) Anyway, there were really many things in fact, that inspired it. That fun could actually start in real, if we realize this idea that could be like an economic X-COM for good.

A feature to mark solved or archived Challenges would be useful. I don't like deleting because it's valuable to see that there was a Challenge and now it's solved or not relevant anymore.

Some comments, those that are responses to challenges, may appear in different color, and be showable under those challenges, cause that part works a bit like quora? I think, we should also make an option then for the resolved issues to disappear from the home page.

Just let users set their project's url name, so that projects, ideas, etc. could register their handles, e.g. the 0oo.li/project/1011 could map to 0oo.li/project/mutantu if mutantu handle is registered.

Love that. Having online meetups for:

• Linking Goals and Ideas
• Projects Progress

would be useful and help people find collaborators and get into feedback loop to move projects forward.

Instead of a Calendar, it would be cool to have a button somewhere that people click to announce about willingness to connect on Zoom.

Maybe it can start as a generic Question "Online Meetups for 0oo" where 0oo users comment when they want to come together on a call.

Right, that makes sense, it's usually done through certain timed online activities, that would be easy by combining Zoom + Google calendar. However, I'd think it might be not fun if the number of people is too small. E.g., if just 3 people show up :) It would be more fun if there were say 8 people or so to start with, so, I'd think, well, plan it for the future. Good direction though.

In addition, I imagine there are different kinds of meetings: - (for goals & ideas) sorting and voting on them, helping discover new links (related works), and free talking - (for projects) there are people who might want to catch up periodically about their project progress, almost like startups, and consult each others.

One of the shortcomings of the Airtable-based calendars is that they do not show the details of the event, only name, when added to calendars, so I don't know how many people actually subscribed to them.

Idea for feature request:

• Invite friends for 1 hour real-time Infinity Challenge during which everyone posts interesting Questions/Ideas and comments to each other's posts on 0oo.li.

Having a time limit focuses everyone to think creatively and creates a bond between strangers fast.

I used to moderate live twitter chats for hundreds of strangers. Worked great!

Regarding comment likes/dislikes, do we want to be able to see, who liked/disliked? :) I think yes, because people care to know who read them, without explicit replies.

Or, better, make read-receipts, so that anyone can optionally just add a "tick", to indicate they had read, leaving the likes to be for evaluation rather than read-receipt indication.

// "Dream=World(Actions)" at the top.. //

Yeah, and good visually! Totally makes sense. It's a to-do. ;)

I added a challenge: How can homepage encourage new users to see what the platform is for? (Feedback from 6 people about them feeling overloaded). How can Dream=World(Actions) aka Y=F(X) be more obvious for newbies?

Suggestion: On homepage, add "Dream=World(Actions)" instead of "FEEDS Items created in last 7 days are in bold." to communicate the purpose of the platform. See this photo of what I mean

Great to see likes on comments feature realised! I wonder, does it make sense to transform "-" into "?". This way "+" means agreement and "?" means a request to clarify a comment. This way it's more constructive and encourages commentators to continue discussion rather than disagreeing which ends the discussion.

// How do Weirdo Creative Futurist Dreamers come and join those events?

Well, events obviously need calendar links, that we could display alongside them. :)

Great, love it! So how do Weirdo Creative Futurist Dreamers come and join those events?

:) I thought, regarding events, we have a place for events :) https://0oo.li/events . I'm thinking, we could use it. The Lifeboat Foundation uses its "what's new" "( https://lifeboat.com/ex/whats.new ), where they share various news they find and relevant to their audience. We could do too. Then link those events with Questions / Ideas / Projects, the readers of which may find it interesting to participate in them. E.g., if we have a topic on Finance, finance discussion events may be auto-linked, if it is something about art, then art exploration meetings could be connected, etc.

// I suggest to add inter-disciplinary discussion as a benefit here //

Of course, that is one of those magical things about the place and generality of its structure -- it is to cultivate the truly interdisciplinary thought. :) It could be a truly unique benefit: I think the core of 0oo must the "weirdo creative futurist dreamers", and others be more of a supportive periphery, i.e., regulators/investors/financiers -- be the ones who say "ouch" or "go ahead" -- with their regulatory or financial actions, meanwhile leaving the creative spirit to be what it is.

// desire to discuss science and engineering publicly //

I suggest to add inter-disciplinary discussion as a benefit here. There are places on-line for scientists to talk.

But where is an open place on the Internet (or in the world) to discuss sciences, arts, design, engineering and business, all together?

It does not exist. So who would disagree that such a diverse mix of thinking would produce unexpected ideas and projects? Great offer for those who like to think and create.

Thanks for great suggestions towards the tackling the challenge, [Ruta]. All great suggestions, though, I have doubts about one:

// Countries with less resources have more urgency to get involved in a new initiative like 0oo, compared to Western countries and busy cities with too-much-going-on

The scientific research being well-funded in the West doesn't imply that there is no desire to discuss science and engineering publicly. On the contrary...

Yes, there are little known universities, that had nevertheless produced exceptional talent. The talent is not so much a function of "university", but rather, of the specific individuals that end up there (likely due to their family and extracurricular education, not because of the university). So, I'd rather not focus on on-boarding universities, but focus on those individuals, as you once said 1:1.

RE challenge:

// How to get goal-aligned interest groups of visionaries, regulators, inventors, doers+financiers to come to 0oo.li from diverse world's economic blocs? //

Structuring community development in stages helps and leaves time for relationship development and enjoying the journey. I suggest to start with the most important group first: visionaries and inventors (so that 0oo is filled with topics to discuss and drive projects from). Then moving to doers+financiers. Lastly, to regulators.

How to discover visionaries? I suggest to contact universities in locations that get less funding for R&D. Students have time to think, research and develop. Countries with less resources have more urgency to get involved in a new initiative like 0oo, compared to Western countries and busy cities with too-much-going-on. Simply sending emails to student unions, R&D programmes, open innovation programmes in universities is doable. Starting with 1 student union.

In terms of "goal-aligned groups", I suggest inviting non-profit organisations that research Sustainable Development Goals and/or have "100% of life" and similar in their mission statements, to share their research projects on 0oo so that they get input from the crowd, also invite researchers to use 0oo for cross-pollination of ideas and research questions.

Feature request:

• Adding labels (meta-categories) to all types (Questions, Ideas, Projects) would allow users to see diversity of thinkers and quickly realise how to make a useful comment

• Meta-categories could be: Science, Economy, Culture, Education, Art, Philosophy, Technology

For example:

• if a question talks about flying to Mars, this question is labeled as Science

• if a question talks about improving roads, it's labeled as Economy

• if it talks about human traditions and rituals, it's labeled as Culture

• if it talks about making learning more fun, it's labeled as Education

• if it talks about social norms and creative experiments, it's labeled as Art

• if it talks about new ways of thinking and mental models, it's labeled as Philosophy

• if it talks about new technologies, it's labeled as Technology

What other meta-categories would help group everything shared on this website?

Feature request from [Ruta]:

• have the "done" option in the tasks mentioned in comments.

Feature requests:

• Emoticons in comments

• Background colour on homepage section "operations" to match a background colour of "results" within a project page

Amazing to see Challenges feature realised! So useful when asking for help from strangers. I just posted my first Challenge in SAME project.

I need a <3 button for comments. Yeah, [Ruta], that's exactly the kind of functionality that I'd love to add. (⇡)

in near future, it'd be cool to facilitate funding people directly via 0oo platform for the results they declare realising projects.

this is how it could work:

1.Funder discovers whom to fund

a funder prioritises projects by category (arts, sciences, innovation, etc) and chooses a Project to fund

OR

first, a funder browses through all research questions, ideas, projects and discovers an Individual (or a few) that they like and decide to:

• fund that user directly with a recurring donation

• form a project with that user with a recurring donation attached to it

2.Funder clicks a button to make a recurring monthly donation of chosen amount to that user or a project

3.User keeps on declaring results to the Project and gets a recurring donation to a wallet that allows to cashout (transfer the money to their online bank or paypal)

this feature would suit perfectly for matching artists/independent researchers with philanthropists/patrons who already provide "residencies", "bursaries", "stipends", "donations" in programs part of universities, research centres, art centres

So, as [Ruta] has pointed out, projects may benefit from having "Challenges" (like KPIs or targets for projects), and I think, additionally, we could have something of a "Leaderboard" view or sort option for projects at 0oo.li/projects. I agree that this would be great things to add, and yeah, on the to-do list for projects.

Allowing a user to add a link to Library would be useful. Why? Because we read articles and they spark ideas and questions.

Similar functionality like Instapaper/Pocket, that allow to add a link to one place to read it later.

A form to declare Results is difficult, this prevents newbie users of sharing results.

Could this be simplified and include only:

• Project

• Happened

• Summary (rename to Result to keep it consistent, i.e. on Project page a button says "Result", so keep it here too)

• Details

• Url

• Hours Spent (merging Costs and Currency, making hour declarations as a default)

• Author

• (hiding all other fields until users learn to Declare Results and Hours)

User interactions on the project level are essential. Because when a project grows, users are motivated to keep on creating. It's a feedback loop. But it's weird to ask if each project needs help. So users end up working on their project solo, which is slow effort.

So how about this solution:

• "Challenge" button within a Project page that allows a creator to comment on what are the current challenges/needs for their project?

• This way other users (doers) can simply respond to Challenge and submit Results.

This would spark spontaneous cooperation between all users spread across many different projects and create a synergy moment, where by doing small tasks, together, these users kickstart all projects to the next level.

The same behaviour can repeat on the same level and shape cultural norms, i.e. instead of being stuck people would organise to help each other and solve all global challenges.

Feature requests:

• Add "Culture" as a Type for Projects.

• A way for users to "Archive" a Question or Idea by clicking a button "Archive" (so that it becomes a "silent" post but not visible on Home page), in cases of merging, duplication or even when a user realises that a previous post is not relevant anymore. Archived posts could have a label "archived" in headline or something.

• A button asking a thinker to "Clarify" a Question or Idea.

• Make adding existing Ideas to existing Projects easier (now, Ideas are added as number-codes, which sometimes creates an error).

• Enable seeing "Revisions" of what was edited when updating a Question and Ideas, because it shows a thought process of a thinker and is interesting/valuable to see for other users (e.g. WordPress websites have this function for blogging, Medium might have this function for blogging too..)

• A button "Invite a Member" to a Project.

• Have sub-projects under Project, in cases if a project is a community/membership project.

Feature requests:

• Scroll to Top button/icon on mobile

• Selecting existing Project for existing Idea

Feature request:

• On homepage, show sub-questions under the main question. For a user like me, posting a sub-question helps clarify thinking and now on homepage, each question comes up on a separate line. But for a reader, sub-questions can be not clear or seem duplicate, if they dont see hierarchy straight away (on homepage).

Feature request:

• Show "Todo", "Question", "Idea" and so on under a Comment box. Now, these options are visible only if I share my comment and later I click EDIT. Many users won't know that these options are available because few click "edit".

Feature Request:

• Clicking on a username within comments should open a Telegram of that user, so that I can message them privately and ask to clarify a comment.

Now, I click on a username and end up on their profile page, I click on "Start chatting" and end up here https://io.0oo.li/direct/username, so I send a message, but a user is not online, while a user may be online on Telegram, which would spark a clarification of a comment straight away

[Ruta], got it :) Will add that into work queue. ^__^ Makes a lot of sense. 7HUR = 70 USD -- yes, almost. The exchange rates are computed hourly, at /rate.

Feature request:

• Add Markdown basics to s text box, so that user like me learns to write clearly on 0oo (writing bullets was confusing before I asked you how to do it here)

Last feature request:

• showing the latest comments within a project page on top, not bottom. because each project page becomes a very long page to scroll even with a few comments, which creates a waiting time for a user who wants to read the latest and comment

One more feature request or clarification:

• when a user declares hours, why balance shows those hours as dollars too? like 7HUR = 70 USD? I'd rather declare only hours or euros of my choice then which would be more accurate.

// emoticon to appreciate, like, agree, disagree with a comment // @user or [user] or smth else

Haha. Makes sense. Will add these. Definitely, not always one needs to respond, one may just want to add a <3 or ThumbsUp.

Feature requests:

• a symbol or emoticon to appreciate, like, agree, disagree with a comment without a need to respond to it via text comment

• a symbol to mention a user, like @user or [user] or smth else

The advances in decentralization and clear 0oo database model, makes me think that we could decentralize this system, but it has to be a new effort of its own.

I think we should partner with opencollective.org on the ledger (projects ledger) side, and should discuss about desired generality, as we have on 0oo. Also, consider collaboration with odoo.com, as they provide the ability for companies do nearly all business operations by themselves, and companies running Odoo could easily publish parts of their data from ERP to 0oo for public. (We should write an odoo modules for that, for all ERPs.)

I think logged in users need a reader, that would allow to read external sources, and choose what to import to 0oo. For example, the view like /reader/ideas could let us use 0oo.li like a reader of Halfbakery, with special button, to import the ideas that we like. Similarly, /reader/projects may let us browse and read companies, etc.

This would allow the users of 0oo.li to work like researchers, browsing external questions, ideas, projects, and importing the gems for discussion and work here.

It's almost like our community would have a data-lake of external data sources, and be able to import things worth paying attention to for our community.